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Hamas attack

Post by Pigeon » Mon Oct 09, 2023 10:04 am

We have authoritarian Iran helping the terrorist group Hamas, the de facto government of Gaza, commit one of the most atrocious acts of terrorism in modern times (not the largest, but probably the most inhumane). We have authoritarian Qatar harboring the leadership of Hamas and funding their terrorism. We have pro-Russia, pro-China, and generally pro-authoritarian organizations and people on the internet spreading propaganda about Israel. We have Elon Musk telling people to use news sources that are anti-semitic. History itself shows us that every war in the region was not instigated by Israel, but by the sides opposing it and calling for it to be wiped out, including the neighboring Arab nations of Egypt, Syria, and Jordan. Israel has always been open to a two-state solution despite winning every single war, while the organizations representing the people of Palestine have rejected every single one. Israel wouldn't have to occupy Palestinian land if there was a central government that could be held accountable for the actions of the terrorists that have been allowed to proliferate there. To be completely fair, Israel has absolutely used disproportionately high force in response to terrorist attacks, and has killed innocent civilians in the crossfire, which is unethical and wrong, but if you think Israel is the one who has perpetuated this conflict, you should re-read this comment and contemplate whether you need to do some more homework before taking a stance on this issue. It's not that hard. I'll even help you out. The side supported by the authoritarians is the side that is and always has been preventing a peaceful resolution to this conflict.
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Re: Hamas attack

Post by Pigeon » Mon Oct 09, 2023 10:06 am

The acts of Hamas are going to put the wests perception of Muslims back decades. As a moderate American that believes in democracy and watching the videos hamas literally brags about with naked women dragged around the streets… something has to give. Terror is all too common amongst the Middle East and religion is undeniably the driving factor

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Re: Hamas attack

Post by Pigeon » Mon Oct 09, 2023 10:09 am

ran has timed this well(for their interests and comrades) would not be surprising if AI assisted in this strategy. Iran aligned with Russia and backing hamas, the yanks are heading for elections with costs of living increasing and decreasing support for endless billions going to Ukraine. What better time to wage war on the Jewish nation? US policy of support for Israel is guaranteed, so where will they be sending their billions in military aid next month?
The future has never seemed so looming and ominous as it does right now

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Re: Hamas attack

Post by Pigeon » Mon Oct 09, 2023 10:12 am

Remember the talk of US plans for eliminating countries post 9/11. Iran seems to be the one left intact at this point.

Will the actual truth ever be heard.

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Re: Hamas attack

Post by Pigeon » Mon Oct 09, 2023 10:24 am

Who's willing to bet that Trump had some classified documents about Israel/Gaza which got into the hands of Iran and the 2billion that Jared Kushner got from Iran included the transfer of those documents.
This is probably not the only person thinking this. Nothing is off the table for Trump when it comes to money.

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Re: Hamas attack

Post by Pigeon » Mon Oct 09, 2023 4:28 pm

Donald Trump's sharing of alleged classified intelligence to Russian officials in the White House has come under scrutiny amid a large-scale attack by the Hamas Islamist military group against Israel.

In May 2017, the former president defended his actions after he was found to have discussed sensitive details about an alleged Islamic State [Isis] plot with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and Ambassador Sergey Kislyak in the Oval Office. Trump said he had an absolute right to do so. The intel was said to have been provided to the U.S. from Israel.

It was suggested at the time that the former president's handing over sensitive information from Israel could have damaged the relationship between the two countries. It also could have raised the possibility that the details could be passed from Russia to Iran, the Gulf nation that is a fierce adversary of Israel and has long supported Hamas.

On Saturday, Hamas, designated a terrorist group by the U.S. and the European Union, launched a large-scale attack against Israel, resulting in the deadliest day of violence in the Israel-Palestine conflict for decades. More than 700 people have been killed in Israel, and a further 400 in Gaza, since the incursion by Hamas, according to the Associated Press.

On social media, a number of people believe that Trump's handing over of Israeli information may have resulted in Iran assisting the Palestinian group.

Thom Hartmann, author and political commentator, posted on X, formerly Twitter, while sharing a 2017 article from The Washington Post: "Hamas apparently knew how to get around Israel's Iron Dome defenses. They probably learned this from Iran. Iran almost certainly got the information from Russia. And who gave it to Russia? Sure looks like it was Donald Trump, at the request of Putin."

Allison Gill, who tweets using the account for the Mueller, She Wrote podcast, added: "Don't forget: Trump gave Israeli intelligence to Russians in the Oval Office 6 years ago. Putin armed Iran in exchange for drones to attack Ukraine."

While sharing a link of its own reporting of Trump's handing over of sensitive materials, the Meidas Touch X account posted: "FLASHBACK: Trump shared classified intelligence from Israel with Russia—and admitted to it. Israeli intelligence feared it would end up in the hands of Iran."

"This isn't hard to follow," added musician and author Mikel Jollett. "Trump gave military intel to the Russians. The Russians, who are extremely close allies with Iran, gave it to Iran. Iran gave that information to Hamas. Hamas used it to attack Israel. This is why intel security matters. Republicans DO NOT CARE."

Newsweek has contacted Trump's office for comment via email.

In an interview with CNN, Secretary of State Antony Blinken said the U.S. has not found any evidence to suggest Iran is also behind the attacks.

"We have not yet seen evidence that Iran directed or was behind this particular attack, but there is certainly a long relationship," Blinken added.

In 2017, Trump defended sharing sensitive intel with Russia at the White House (WH), saying it was necessary for security reasons.

"As president, I wanted to share with Russia (at an openly scheduled WH meeting) which I have the absolute right to do, facts pertaining to terrorism and airline flight safety," Trump wrote. "Humanitarian reasons, plus I want Russia to greatly step up their fight against Isis and terrorism."

Trump is due to go on trial in May 2024 accused of retaining classified documents after he left the White House in January 2021, and then obstructing the federal attempt to retrieve them from his Mar-a-Lago estate in Palm Springs, Florida. The former president has pleaded not guilty to 40 charges as part of the criminal case and has repeatedly denied any wrongdoing.

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Re: Hamas attack

Post by Pigeon » Mon Oct 09, 2023 4:32 pm

This is ridiculous conspiracy nonsense. Hamas didn't get around Iron Dome. Iron Dome is a massive and ridiculously complicated integrated air and missile defense. This isn't a movie where you find the exhaust port to the death star. Even if there were a magical 'exhaust port' to Iron Dome, Donald Trump wouldn't be smart enough to communicate it. Putin wouldn't be smart enough to understand it. And the alleged intel is about ISIS because the Russians and the Americans were both bombing ISIS in Syria and deconflicting attacks. I can't believe I have to say this but ISIS isn't Hamas. There is no intel from 6 years that made any difference in Hamas's attack. It was an attack of opportunity against an Israeli defense that had grown complacent.

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