Guns on robots

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Guns on robots

Post by Pigeon » Fri Oct 15, 2021 11:38 am

Of course, it is mankind after all

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By James Vincent Oct 14, 2021, 10:47am EDT

Quadrupedal robots are one of the most interesting developments in robotics in recent years. They’re small, nimble, and able to traverse environments that frustrate wheeled machines. So, of course, it was only a matter of time until someone put a gun on one.

The image above shows a quadrupedal robot — a Vision 60 unit built by US firm Ghost Robotics — that’s been equipped with a custom gun by small-arms specialists Sword International. It seems the gun itself (dubbed the SPUR or “special purpose unmanned rifle”) is designed to be fitted onto a variety of robotic platforms. It has a 30x optical zoom, thermal camera for targeting in the dark, and an effective range of 1,200 meters.

What’s not clear is whether or not Sword International or Ghost Robotics are currently selling this combination of gun and robot. But if they’re not, it seems they will be soon. As the marketing copy on Sword’s website boasts: “The SWORD Defense Systems SPUR is the future of unmanned weapon systems, and that future is now.”

The machine was shown off for the first time at the Association of the United States Army’s 2021 annual conference earlier this week. The conferences bills itself as a “landpower exposition and professional development forum” held in Washington DC, October 11-13.

Details about the partnership between Ghost and Sword are unclear, but Ghost’s quadrupedal robots are already being tested by the US military. Last year, the 325th Security Forces Squadron at Tyndall Air Force Base in Florida became the first unit in the Department of Defense to use quadrupedal robots in regular operations. It uses them to patrol the base’s perimeter, navigating swampy areas that “aren’t desirable for human beings and vehicles,” according to an interview with Ghost Robotics CEO Jiren Parikh.

Although reconnaissance is one of the most obvious use-cases for robot dogs, manufacturers are slowly experimenting with other payloads. As well as providing remote video and mapping, the machines could be used as mobile cell towers, to defuse bombs, or to detect chemical, biological, radiological, and nuclear matter (otherwise known as CBRN).

And, of course, they can become weapons themselves.

Unlike the better-known Boston Dynamics, Ghost Robotics seems eager to find military customers for its quadrupedal machines. Boston Dynamics, the best-known manufacturer of quadrupedal robots and makers of Spot, has a strict policy agains weaponizing its machines. Other manufacturers, it seems, aren’t so picky. After all, plenty of companies already sell uncrewed gun platforms that use tank treads or wheels, so adding the same basic kit to legged machines isn’t much of a stretch.

The bigger question is how these robots will be deployed in the future and what level of oversight will be required when they start firing lethal rounds at humans.

For a while now, experts have been warning about the slow rise in the use of “killer robots” (known as lethal autonomous weapon systems, or LAWS, in official jargon), and official US policy does not prohibit their development or deployment. Many groups are campaigning for a preemptive ban on such systems, but, in the meantime, it seems companies will continue to build what is possible. And that means putting guns on robot dogs.


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Re: Guns on robots

Post by Pigeon » Fri Oct 15, 2021 11:39 am

Getting bit by a dog is now 20th century.

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Post by Pigeon » Fri Oct 15, 2021 11:45 am

(known as lethal autonomous weapon systems, or LAWS, in official jargon
LAWS , perfect.

Law enforcement using LAWS, coming to a town near you.

LAWS law enforcement

laws ^ 2 enforcement

These robots are fed bullets, of course. Blue Bullet brand armor piercing.

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Post by Pigeon » Fri Oct 15, 2021 12:52 pm

Samsung, call me...

The SGR-A1 is a type of sentry gun that was jointly developed by Samsung Techwin (now Hanwha Aerospace) and Korea University to assist South Korean troops in the Korean Demilitarized Zone.

"Human in/on the loop" controversy

A human-in-the-loop (HITL) system, if applied to the Samsung SGR-A1, would mean the weapon must wait for commands from a human operator before acting upon its targets.

This contrasts with a human on the loop (HOTL) system, which would allow the Samsung SGR-A1 to autonomously engage targets while allowing for human intervention to stop it.

Opposition groups against the use of the Samsung SGR-A1 and laws including the Committee on International Security and Arms Control and Human Rights Watch believe the Samsung SGR-A1 has HOTL capabilities, and would ultimately increase civilian casualties and lower the threshold for going to war.

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Primary arguments by anti-LAWS groups

LAWS are unethical because humans are no longer involved in the act of killing, which absents morality from warfare by ultimately pitting a machine against a human.

LAWS increase the risk of conflict and war by shifting risks from the nation's soldiers to machines, which distances civilians from war and thus changes how the military and government think about going to war.

LAWS introduce a difficulty of assigning responsibility and accountability if scenarios including civilian casualties and violation of international law aris


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Re: Guns on robots

Post by Pigeon » Fri Oct 15, 2021 12:59 pm

Debug session HOTL mode

Begin autonomous fire - 4k rounds/min
Processing msg #1 'fire round'
Human interrupt message sent - msg # 4378
Processing msg # 23 - 'fire round'
Processing msg # 24 - 'fire round'
Processing msg # 25 - 'fire round'


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Post by Pigeon » Fri Oct 15, 2021 1:04 pm

TheOmniGlow

It can be controlled by an operator, it also issues verbal warnings and can recognize friendly code-words. Friendly soldiers would say the codeword, I'd imagine if someone didn't respond properly someone would takeover to verify before opening fire. If war breaks out you set them all to automatic and hope the code-words work out.
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Re: Guns on robots

Post by Royal » Fri Oct 15, 2021 7:47 pm

Despite the intimidation of these machines, US can produce much worse war machines. If China wishes to surprise us, they can see the world wash that Nazi party that’s pissing off everyone go bye bye.

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Post by Pigeon » Fri Oct 15, 2021 7:59 pm

I don't see the robots threat to most people in the US from the military but from domestic police.

Protest will ya?

Open the doors on a semi truck and unleash about 20 of these dogs.

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Post by Pigeon » Sat Oct 16, 2021 11:09 am

Ex-Gen. Stanley McChrystal: AI weapons ‘frightening,’ ‘will’ make lethal decisions

The chief software officer at the Pentagon, Nicolas Chaillan, suddenly quit last month over concerns that the U.S. military had fallen "15 to 20 years" behind China in cyber warfare and artificial intelligence, he told the Financial Times.

The warning marks the latest sign of discord within the U.S. military over how to prepare for what former Google executive Kai-Fu Lee calls the "third revolution" in warfare, after gunpowder and nuclear arms.

In a new interview, ex-General Stanley McChrystal — who led coalition forces in Afghanistan for two years and now heads a consulting firm called the McChrystal Group — said artificial intelligence will inevitably come to make lethal decisions on the battlefield. However, he acknowledged the "frightening" risks of potential malfunction or mistake.

"People say, 'We'll never give control over lethal strike to artificial intelligence,'" says McChrystal, who recently co-authored a book entitled, "Risk: A User's Guide." "That's wrong. We absolutely will."

"Because at a certain point, you can't respond fast enough, unless you do that," he adds. "A hypervelocity missile, hypersonic missile coming at the United States aircraft carrier, you don't have time for individuals to do the tracking, you don't have time for senior leaders to be in the decision loop, or you won't be able to engage the missile."

A ban on autonomous weapons has drawn support from 30 countries, though an in-depth report commissioned by Congress advised the U.S. to oppose a ban, since it could prevent the country from using weapons already in its possession.

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Agreements that every human follows. Doesn't happen.

Heard in Some City USA 2031:
"Shelter in place. Rogue AI weapon lose in city."

I wonder what secrets China has going.

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Re: Guns on robots

Post by Royal » Sat Oct 16, 2021 10:38 pm

"Shelter in place. Rogue AI weapon lose in city."

Holy crap, why does that feel like a certainty?
Truly chilling.
Sheesh.

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