This is what prison should be

[lkwalker]

Http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/04/world ... ml?_r=1&hp

You wanna separate criminals from society? Give em a reason to stay.
http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2011/ ... enez1.html

[Egg]

Never happen. Where's the punishment. People are gonna want their pound of flesh.

[lkwalker]

Punishment doesn't prevent bad behavior it causes it. Sooner or later the world will realize that.

[Egg]

Punishment doesn't prevent bad behavior it causes it. Sooner or later the world will realize that.

Not disagreeing, just saying....

Portions of the Population Prefer Punitive Penal Prisons.

[lkwalker]

Nolite dare sanctum canibus, neque mittatis margaritas vestras ante porcos, ne forte conculcent eas pedibus suis, et conversi disrumpant vos.

[TraumaT]

Portions of the Population Prefer Punitive Penal Prisons.

This should Piss off those Peabrain People, then.

Halden, Norway's second largest prison, with a capacity of 252 inmates, opened on April 8. It embodies the guiding principles of the country's penal system: that repressive prisons do not work and that treating prisoners humanely boosts their chances of reintegrating into society. "When they arrive, many of them are in bad shape," Hoidal says, noting that Halden houses drug dealers, murderers and rapists, among others. "We want to build them up, give them confidence through education and work and have them leave as better people." Countries track recidivism rates differently, but even an imperfect comparison suggests the Norwegian model works. Within two years of their release, 20% of Norway's prisoners end up back in jail. In the U.K. and the U.S., the figure hovers between 50% and 60%. Of course, a low level of criminality gives Norway a massive advantage. Its prison roll lists a mere 3,300, or 69 per 100,000 people, compared with 2.3 million in the U.S., or 753 per 100,000 — the highest rate in the world.

Design plays a key role in Halden's rehabilitation efforts. "The most important thing is that the prison looks as much like the outside world as possible," says Hans Henrik Hoilund, one of the prison's architects. To avoid an institutional feel, exteriors are not concrete but made of bricks, galvanized steel and larch; the buildings seem to have grown organically from the woodlands. And while there is one obvious symbol of incarceration — a 20-ft. (6 m) concrete security wall along the prison's perimeter — trees obscure it, and its top has been rounded off, Hoilund says, "so it isn't too hostile."

The cells rival well-appointed college dorm rooms, with their flat-screen TVs and minifridges. Designers chose long vertical windows for the rooms because they let in more sunlight. There are no bars. Every 10 to 12 cells share a living room and kitchen. With their stainless-steel countertops, wraparound sofas and birch-colored coffee tables, they resemble Ikea showrooms.

Halden's greatest asset, though, may be the strong relationship between staff and inmates. Prison guards don't carry guns — that creates unnecessary intimidation and social distance — and they routinely eat meals and play sports with the inmates. "Many of the prisoners come from bad homes, so we wanted to create a sense of family," says architect Per Hojgaard Nielsen. Half the guards are women — Hoidal believes this decreases aggression — and prisoners receive questionnaires asking how their experience in prison can be improved.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic ... 02,00.html

Pics here for more Pissing off:
http://designgid.com/2010/05/10/norwegi ... ay-resort/

[Egg]

Nolite dare sanctum canibus, neque mittatis margaritas vestras ante porcos, ne forte conculcent eas pedibus suis, et conversi disrumpant vos.

You know, the older I get, the more that makes sense.

[lkwalker]

“One should never do wrong in return, nor mistreat any man, no matter how one has been mistreated by him.” Socrates

[Egg]

Portions of the Population Prefer Punitive Penal Prisons.

This should Piss off those Peabrain People, then.

Halden, Norway's second largest prison, with a capacity of 252 inmates, opened on April 8. It embodies the guiding principles of the country's penal system: that repressive prisons do not work and that treating prisoners humanely boosts their chances of reintegrating into society. "When they arrive, many of them are in bad shape," Hoidal says, noting that Halden houses drug dealers, murderers and rapists, among others. "We want to build them up, give them confidence through education and work and have them leave as better people." Countries track recidivism rates differently, but even an imperfect comparison suggests the Norwegian model works. Within two years of their release, 20% of Norway's prisoners end up back in jail. In the U.K. and the U.S., the figure hovers between 50% and 60%. Of course, a low level of criminality gives Norway a massive advantage. Its prison roll lists a mere 3,300, or 69 per 100,000 people, compared with 2.3 million in the U.S., or 753 per 100,000 — the highest rate in the world.

Design plays a key role in Halden's rehabilitation efforts. "The most important thing is that the prison looks as much like the outside world as possible," says Hans Henrik Hoilund, one of the prison's architects. To avoid an institutional feel, exteriors are not concrete but made of bricks, galvanized steel and larch; the buildings seem to have grown organically from the woodlands. And while there is one obvious symbol of incarceration — a 20-ft. (6 m) concrete security wall along the prison's perimeter — trees obscure it, and its top has been rounded off, Hoilund says, "so it isn't too hostile."

The cells rival well-appointed college dorm rooms, with their flat-screen TVs and minifridges. Designers chose long vertical windows for the rooms because they let in more sunlight. There are no bars. Every 10 to 12 cells share a living room and kitchen. With their stainless-steel countertops, wraparound sofas and birch-colored coffee tables, they resemble Ikea showrooms.

Halden's greatest asset, though, may be the strong relationship between staff and inmates. Prison guards don't carry guns — that creates unnecessary intimidation and social distance — and they routinely eat meals and play sports with the inmates. "Many of the prisoners come from bad homes, so we wanted to create a sense of family," says architect Per Hojgaard Nielsen. Half the guards are women — Hoidal believes this decreases aggression — and prisoners receive questionnaires asking how their experience in prison can be improved.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic ... 02,00.html

Pics here for more Pissing off:
http://designgid.com/2010/05/10/norwegi ... ay-resort/

I saw something about this place on tv awhile back.

It's a great idea. However, prison isn't only for rehabilitation of the prisoners or to keep the public safe from them, it's to punish the prisoners for the public.

On the other site, one of the last discussions I had was about capital punishment. I said that I was against it first and foremost because if even one person out of 1000 was killed wrongly it was bogus system. Most didn't agree. They said, "if your family member was murdered you'd be singing a different tune."
I answered, "If your family member was found guilty wrongly and executed you'd be singing a different tune."

People like to punish others.

[Egg]

“One should never do wrong in return, nor mistreat any man, no matter how one has been mistreated by him.” Socrates

I am not there yet. I tried for many years and succeeded I had thought but then life will throw something at you that you might not be ready for.

In theory, I agree. Although, maybe not. There are some evil people whose lives hold little meaning to me.